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Interview #1171
VIRTANEN, HILARY
VIRTANEN, HILARY (1978-)

Interviewed: 	2011 (1 sessions)	
Interviewer: 	Troy Reeves
Index by: 	Troy Reeves/Marcus Bacher
Length: 	1  hour, 8 minutes

Abstract: In her 2011 interview with Troy Reeves, Hilary Virtanen describes her participation in protests over the Budget Repair Bill proposed by Governor Scott Walker in early 2011. Virtanen recounts her experiences at the Capitol on an almost daily basis in February and March as a member of the UW-Madison Teaching Assistance Association. Virtanen also talked about her life growing up in Michigan and Wyoming, her other graduate work at Indiana University, and her current job at Findlandia University in Hancock, Michigan. This interview was conducted for inclusion into UW-Madison oral history collection, specifically within the Capitol Protests 2011 project.
Keywords: UW-Madison Teaching Assistants’ Association; UW-Madison Folklore Department; 2011 Wisconsin Budget Repair Bill; Wisconsin State Capitol; Governor Scott Walker; unions; Jesse Jackson; Wisconsin 14 (Democratic Senators who left state to stop vote); Hancock, MI; Findlandia University; Finnish American Heritage Center; Hansen, Dave (WI State Senator)
First Interview Session (July 19, 2011): Digital File
00:00:00	Start of Interview/Interviewer’s Introduction
00:00:55	Question: Brief biography of life prior to UW-Madison? Answer: Hilary Virtanen (HV) talked being born in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and moving around a lot, including an extended stay in Wyoming. She discussed her education, including earning degrees from Michigan State, Indiana University, and UW-Madison. She married in 2006 and gave birth to 3 children. When asked why she moved so much, she noted her parents changed jobs or went back to school.
00:04:09	Question: Why folklore? Answer: HV noted that growing up in a lot of different places and seeing a lot of different cultures played a large part in her interest in it. When asked why seek graduate studies at IU, she found out while getting her degree at Michigan State that folklore departments existed on campuses. She applied to IU, and they accepted her. She then talked about her fieldwork at IU, which involved her returning to the UP in Michigan and getting stories from people about a specific Finnish tradition. She worked many jobs to make ends meet, including tending bar, which ended up serving her well, because she could do fieldwork and work simultaneously. 
00:08:15	Question: Why UW-Madison? Answer: HV talked about specific problems she had with IU and about a paper she gave in Marquette, MI. At that conference she met two people from UW-Madison (Jim Leary and Tim Frandy) who both suggested she applied at UW-Madison for more advance degree seeking. When she found out more about UW-Madison, she thought it would fit her well, specifically the unionization of the Teaching Assistants. 
00:10:42	Question: Personal politics? Answer: HV spoke here about the great communist in her family tree, the Cold War, and Reaganomics. All of these things led her to see that many different views on the political spectrum and to move her politics to the left. She returned to her discussion about unions at UW and the options they provided her.
00:13:45	Question: What did want to accomplish at UW-Madison? Answer: She wanted to work with great people on great opportunities. The UW-Madison faculty helped her to find jobs that gave her a wide range of choices, including transcribing recordings and editing manuscripts. They gave her room to do individual work as well as chances to work with others. HV wanted to be active in the TAA from the beginning but some personal issues kept her away from leadership initially. 
00:16:55	Question: Were you active in politics before February 2011? Answer: She did not actively participate in her first presidential election (1996), because President Clinton seemed destine for re-election. She did note that the Bush-Gore election of 2000 really opened her eyes to taking the time to vote for every election, not just national or statewide ones. 
00:19:12	Question: Describe your involvement in the Capitol Protest of 2011? Answer: HV recalled working the Wisconsin Historical Society (one of her jobs) on Friday, February 11. She opened up an email from Governor Walker, describing the initial aspects of the Budget Repair Bill, specifically voiding union contracts. She recalled seeing that email posted on a bulletin board inside the WHS soon after that and writing “I’ll see you in the Rotunda” on it. HV continued to detail the Friday and weekend before the first march, including getting more material from Tim Frandy and the TAA and setting up a Facebook event (and later page) regarding the Budget Repair Bill and the protests.
00:23:42	[No question.]  HV then discussed her memories of the first march, February 14, and the first week. She made a sign that said, “Scott Walker, Boo, Hiss” and carried it with her everywhere. She met the others in Memorial Library Mall and started marching up to the Capitol then inside the rotunda. She had checked out a video camera and recorded what she could, although she noted that her loud voice comprised most of the sound track. 
00:26:10	[No question.] When she left for the second day of protests, she gave her husband instructions on how to bail her out of jail, because she felt unsure about whether Governor Walker’s threats of calling National Guard might come true. She came home that night and took her kids with her to the protests the rest of the week. She recalled one of her daughters picking up whatever spare sign she could find and marched with it. HV worked as much as she could with the TAA, primarily helping folks discern between good information and rumors. Then, HV would return home and watched the news to see how the media portrayed each day’s events. 
00:29:01	[No question.]  HV talked about testifying to the Joint Finance Committee on February 15th.  She gave a five minute testimony, overrunning the allotted 2 minutes.  The next day, HV marched with her kids at the protests and spoke with state senator Randy Hopper of Fond du Lac at the capitol.  HV talked about acquiring a room in the capitol for children to play and participate in fun activities so as to avoid the noise and crowds of the capitol rallies. She placed a sign that read, “This office is a union shop” outside of her office door right after Scott Walker came into office.  HV mentioned that she could tell what Scott Walker would do when he got into office, despite not explicitly campaigning on anti-union issues.  
00:35:15	Question: Why did you feel that Walker’s actions were inevitable when he came into office?  Answer: HV spoke about her temper and her natural reaction was to protest but expressed her surprise at the turnout on the second day of the protest, the day of the Joint Finance Committee hearings.  She attributed this to Madison’s progressive/union traditions.  
00:37:43	Question: How did the TAA try to keep communication clear between what was actually happening and hearsay?  Answer: To make sure to go someplace other than the Capitol to clear your head.  She read state and out-of-state newspapers, Facebook headlines, and examined a variety of ideas about how to approach the protests.  Described her attitude towards police officers at the protests—the police were not the ones they were fighting.       
00:42:25	Question: Examples of posts/activities on Facebook page to keep people informed.  Answer: Focused on media coverage of protest by news sources such as the New York Times, editorials, and posting information about events/rallies.  Secondly, HV’s Facebook page highlighted similar events going on across the country in places such as Ohio, Florida, and Iowa.    
00:45:00	Question: How important was social media to the protest?  Answer: HV described trading Facebook information with a Monona teacher to spread information via social media. HV and the teacher agreed that Facebook and social media was an important and effective tool to influence events at the protests.  Described the Defend Wisconsin website and efforts by the Walker administration to limit wireless access at the capitol.  
00:47:50	Question: Was there a strong memory that stands out in your mind?  Answer: The day after the bill was signed “illegally” on March 10th, HV was standing outside and encountered Rev. Jesse Jackson who gave her a hug, a T-shirt, and invited her to appear on Fox News alongside him. HV gave the T-shirt to her husband.  HV expressed her gratitude to see what happened both in Wisconsin, and in Marquette, Michigan, where recall petitions went out.  She was pleased to see such nationwide activism and especially proud of the people of Wisconsin for standing up for their state.  
00:53:22	End of First Interview Session
Second Interview Session (September 2, 2011): Digital File
00:00:00	Start of Interview/Interviewer’s Introduction
00:00:48	Question: How did you end up in Hancock, Michigan? Answer: Hilary Virtanen (HV) had kept her eye on a job at Findlandia University for years. She called them every so often to inquire about a job, and this last summer they called her and offered her one. When asked she furnished an overview of her work with the Finnish-American Heritage Center, including outreach to the community. She will start working on a 2013 conference, entitled FinnFest, and will work with undergraduates to help them with their research then accompanying them to Finland each spring. 
00:03:22	Question: The recent TAA vote? Answer: HV offered her opinion about the vote, where the union decertified, including the idea that this vote could benefit the TAA. The interviewer then asked HV about her future, personally, professionally, and politically. HV wondered what anyone future will hold, if the United States collapsed. She hoped she would continue working in the Upper Peninsula, doing outreach and working with undergraduates. Poltically, HV said she would not “sit down and shut up.” She talked about how she will be involved in Michigan politics, after she received her state identification card. She has continued the Facebook page that she discussed in her first interview. She also will work with people one or one or through letters to the editors. She also stated her hope to get involved on campus with voter identification issues, meaning informing students of their rights.
00:08:03 	Question: Any more strong memories about the 2011 Capitol Protests? Answer: HV offered her story about the day the 14 Democratic Senators left to stop the Budget Repair Bill vote. HV started talking to a woman who had a son (HV was there with her eldest daughter), when they heard that the Senate could not vote because of no quorum. Once HV figured out what that meant, she and the woman hugged each other. HV still felt emotion about the event, because it served as an example of an elected official working for their constituents. HV felt it akin to the “good outlaw” in folklore. 

00:11:41	Question: Opinions on August 2011 recall elections? Answer: HV focused most of her thoughts on the 3 Democratic recall elections, particularly Senator Dave Hansen, who had worked in the past to put labor history into the state’s education curriculum. She felt a bit disappointment that the State Senate did not flip into Democratic control, but she thought it was the start of more involvement in politics.
00:14:02 	Question: Final thoughts? Answer: HV wanted people to know that political battles had happened throughout the country; she cited examples in Ohio and Michigan. 
00:15:38	End of Second Interview Session
End of Oral History #1171